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From: Ashram Seesochan (Sudarshan Dasa)
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 3:26 PM
Subject: Fw: TO RAJARSI DASA AND HIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS
ALL GBC'S AND ISKCON DEVOTEES.
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HARE KRISHNA. JAI SRILA PRABHUPADA ! JAI NRSIMHADEVA !
Today is the "appearance day " of his Divine Grace Srila Satsvarupa
Dasa
Goswami, Srila Gurupada. And as a disciple having served 19 years with dedication,
this is my homage. His direct question to Srila Prabhupada have made Him GUILTY
OF MISLEADING THE WHOLE SOCIETY, asking may 28th 1977, ---"particularly
at the time WHEN YOU ARE NO LONGER WITH US, how first and second initiations
would be conducted? Srila Prabhupada said ---Yes, I shall recomend some of you
to act as Officiating Acaryas. Tamal Krsna maharaj asked ---"Is that called
Ritvik Acarya?" SRILA PRABHUPADA SAID ---"RITVIK. YES."
The FBI FORENSIC AGENTS have proven that this so called "APPOINTMENT TAPE" was tampered with. So as they forced Srila Prabhupada to speak their answer, with super-human intelligence He tricked them. Srila Prabhupada said --"When I order you become guru,he becomes regular guru. That's all. He becomes disciple of my disciple.(That's it). (Just see).
So Srila Prabhupada is saying ---"When I order" ---WHERE IS THE ORDER? He did leave an order 42 DAYS after ---"THE JULY 9TH 1977 FINAL ORDER LETTER TO ALL GBC'S AND TEMPLE PRESIDENTS", that 11 representatives would initiate all new recruits to the movement, on His Behalf, and they would be "initiated disciples" of Srila Prabhupada, and not the Ritviks. Satsvarupa Maharaj wrote me on April 25th 1999 (posted on 25th June 1999) AND SAID ---"Do not accept Ritvikism". He could have said "DO NOT ACCEPT SRILA PRABHUPADA OR HIS WORDS."
(Srila Prabhupada Letter 6/10/69 to Mukunda)
"Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka, one cannot be a Spritual Master,and
if he does become so, then he will simply create a DISTURBANCE ...actually a
Bona-fide Spritual Master is NEVER A CONDITIONED SOUL ...a Spritual Master MUST
be liberated." The remaining four " guru/acarya successors" to
Srila Prabhupada may be able to free themselves of 50% of the curse of Srila
Prabhupada (sri isop. mantra 12 purp.), by simply telling the WHOLE SOCIETY,
that all initiated disciples are disciples of Srila Prabhupada, and that they
did wrong,in an attitude of atonement . So the movement can move foward on high
speed to save the world and make people peaceful and happy. The next 50% of
Srila Prabhupada's curse may be able to be atoned for,by placing a murti of
Srila Prabhupada in one's room and BEG HIS FORGIVENESS, while chanting Hare
Krsna Hare Krsna Krsna Krsna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare,
in that atonement mood,until one gives up his body.
The ones who know themselves for giving poison or assisted in poisoning Srila Prabhupada, can do the same as above. In the material world, we are innocent, until proven guilty. I will remind you all in Spiritual Law, Lord Sri Krsna and Yamaraj, knows everything.It's just a matter of time, for severe punishment, if one don't try to atone. If you all don't believe, you can test the system. But hear what Srila Prabhupada said to Balavanta Prabhu 13/12/72, and I truly think that this letter is applicable to ISKCON'S immediate siege.
"But one thing is, we have not got anything to gain by fighting the demons in the streets and courts. No, our process of solving the matter is simple, why should we unnecessarily take botheration for fighting? ONLY AFTER EXHAUSTING EVERY POSSIBILITY OF PEACEFUL SOLUTION SHALL WE FIGHT ANYONE. Just like Krsna. He did not call for fighting until after every chance for settlement failed. So we shall try to overcome our opponents by,first our words and behaviour, and all means of friendly approach we shall attempt by sober planning, and only later, ALL ELSE FAILING, SHALL WE ACTUALLY FIGHT. That is our philosophy. And if we stick to these lines of politics and diplomacy as set out for us by Krsna, we shall expect always victory, without any doubt."
People are dying and suffering everyday for want of Krsna Consciousness. Time
is running out. Enough is Enough ! All the sincere followers within ISKCON ,
must unite and speak out. Restore Srila Prabhupada as the Diksa Guru, and implement
His "Direction of Management 1970", that all GBC'S are to be voted
IN OR OUT EVERY 3 YEARS, BY ALL TEMPLE PRESIDENT'S WORLDWIDE.
(Srila Prabhupada Letter October 2nd)
"That is my concern, that such a huge, huge establishment, if not properly, regularly managed,then again everything will be FINISHED....Disaster will happen if you cannot manage. Hm?"
For all Prabhupada Letters as above, read Betrayal and Guru Business.(Thanks
to Sulochana Prabhu and Puranjana Prabhu.) And anyone who thinks that Srila
Prabhupada is not qualified or did not know what He was doing , as to why He
left a Ritvik System, Representative of the Acarya, to continue hence foward,
particularly WHEN HE IS NO LONGER WITH US, would have to study the "FINAL
ORDER". This booklet has a foreword and because it does not have a named
author, it is Divine Intervention. Absolutely, no one can stop the TRUTH !!!!~~~~~~~.
Your insignificant servant, in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Sudarshan dasa.
PS. These Letters and all others for the past 10 months, have gone to at least 65 main Devotees in Trinidad, Guyana, Suriname, St Lucia, Grenada, and the British Virgin Island.
THIS IS ESPECIALLY FOR AJAMILA AT CHAKRA. I FOLLOWED HIS RITVIK DEBATE THAT
SRILA PRABHUPADA IS WRONG AND DOES NOT KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING BY SETTING UP
A RITVIK SYSTEM !!!!~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~.
YS SUDARSHAN DASA
PAMHO. AGTSP. As stated in my last letter, a senior sannyasi decided that my name be changed to "Maha Kutta", for distributing information that Srila Prabhupada was Hi-Jacked along with his mission,and suspected of being slow poisoned with Arsenic, for the last 9 months before His physical departure. The Chairman of the GBC wrote me stating ---"that the Ritvik System is an appasidantic doctrine against the conclusion of the Great Acaryas. What the hell does he mean ! ----That Srila Prabhupada is not a Great Acarya??????????? (11).
So I thank you all very much for not returning the letters. Since you all decided to call me Maha Kutta, I decided to behave like a Pit Bull, and also demanded that the "Banned Letter" be removed from the notice board for spoiling my reputation as being Offensive to Srila Prabhupada.
Actually, the system you all follow blindly like sheeps, is directly spitting and kicking Srila Prabhupada. Innocence is no excuse! Prabhupada explained the Cheater and the Cheated. Don't inquire and ask for Srila Prabhupada's signed Documents and then match your self with this ---"they can fool some people some time, they can fool some people all the time, BUT they can't fool all the people all the time."
Only if one is sincere,then Paramatma will guide one to know the truth. I want you all to keep this statement for records ---"that the FINAL ORDER is an appearance of Srila Prabhupada, just as Lord Nrsimhadeva appeared out of the Pillar. "There was a plot and betrayal of Srila Prabhupada. I am saying that the documents were hidden and every one was told that this is how Srila Prabhupada wanted things to go on.We were cheated and misled.
The so called "Appointment Tape" May 28th 1977 by 6 GBC'S have been proven to be tampered with, by 3 diffrent "FBI" Forensic Agents.And God alone knows what took place in that room. Srila Prabhupada was forced to speak.
The most punishable persons by Yamaraj are the ones who uphold the plot and betrayal for aiding and abetting in imprisioning Srila Prabhupada,like Vasudeva and Devaki. This Movement is not run by Fidel Castro, Hitler, Sadam Hussien, Slobodon Milosevic, or is it a Jim Jones Movement? There must be freedom of Speech and Taught! People cannot think for you. I demand that all Members be free to read Srila Prabhupada FINAL ORDER and there be open discussion on the matter. So individuals can choose for them selves.Other wise the Police Commissioner, Attorney General, Minister Of National Security, could be informed of how ISKCON is run by Dictatorship.
And they will be shocked to know what kind of Religious Movement this is! Five muders,one swami head chopped off by his disciple during one of their drug-taking sessions, 2 homo-sex swamis caught engaging in sex with children and men, 2 stole $5million us each, a few swamis under investigation for poisoning the Founder Acarya, and about 35 swamis leave who were all pure devotees, worshipped as good as God.
You all cannot destroy Srila Prabhupada Movement. He must be restored as the Diksa Guru!!!!~~~~~~~. If the GBC'S had not deviated from the orders of Srila Prabhupada, that he left a Ritvik System,to continue after His departure, it would not have been so embrassing and disgraceful to ISKCON. There are two video tapes, LA and NY IRG Meetings with senior devotees speaking, trying to save you all and the book "Some One Has Poisoned Me." You can at least help Srila Prabhupada by knowing and saying a pray. Otherwise drown yourself in the Ganges.
I have heard many lectures. I want someone to explain this verse-------Cc.Madya Lila ch.1 T218 purport --- When a Vaishnava sees that another Vaishnava is the recipient of the Lord's mercy, he become very happy. Vaishnavas are are not envious. If a vaishnava, by the mercy of the Lord, is empowered by him to distribute the Lord's Holy Name all over the world, other Vaishnavas become very joyful ---that is if they are truly Vaishnavas.One who is envious of the success of a Vaishnava is certainly not a Vaishnava himself,but an ordinary mundane man.
Envy and jealousy are manifested by mundane people,not by Vaishnavas. Why should a Vaishnava be envious of another Vaishnava who is successful in spreading the Holy Name of the Lord?An actual Vaishnava is very pleased to accept another Vaishnava who is bestowing the Lord's mercy. A MUNDANE PERSON IN THE DRESS OF A VAISHNAVA SHOULD NOT BE RESPECTED BUT REJECTED. This is enjoined in the Sastras (upeksha). The word upeksha means neglect. One should neglect an envious person. A preacher's duty is to love the Supreme Personality Of Godhead, make friends with Vaishanavas, show mercy to the innocent and reject or neglect those who are envious or jealous.
THERE ARE MANY JEALOUS PEOPLE IN THE DRESS OF VAISHNAVAS IN THIS KRISHNA CONSCIOUSNESS
MOVEMENT,AND THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETELY NEGLECTED.THERE IS NO NEED TO SERVE A
JEALOUS PERSON WHO IS IN THE DRESS OF A VAISHNAVA."
Yes, and I am being called Offensive for doing just what Srila Prabhupada
said to do ---"Reject or neglect all those who are envious or jealous of
his success." Some fools would be so bold face to say that Srila Prabhupada
is Offensive to write like that.
Our illusion is this --They all helped Srila Prabhupada and all 5,500 disciples were dishonest, so they left ! ---It's the opposite. The Hi-jackers remained and all the honest devotees were pressured to leave, and knowingly putting two Homo-sex Gurus in charge of the Gurukula, to destroy them because many were Direct Disciples of Srila Prabhupada. If they were purely trained, it would foil their PLAN.
Where is the love and devotion in building a "Golden Palace" for your name and fame, but not for the glorification of Srila Prabhupada and Lord Sri Krsna???? Also we say, they are all great souls, all great souls ---Don't matter that they may have poisioned Srila Prabhupada and took His place. They are chanting Hare Krsna. Well, although Srila Prabhupada is all merciful, here is his wrath and curse upon them -- Sri Isopanisad mantra 12 purport (last page) +++ "By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spritual masters and devotees of God. Such violaters of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession. TO MISLEAD THE PEOPLE IN GENERAL, THEY THEMSELVES BECOME SO CALLED ACARYAS, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
THESE ROGUES ARE THE MOST DANGEROUS ELEMENTS IN HUMAN SOCIETY. Because there is no religious government they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme,who has clearly declared in Bhagavad Gita (chap.16. 19-20) that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell.Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists ARE HEADING TOWARDS THE MOST OBNOXIOUS PLACE IN THE UNIVERSE AFTER THE COMPLETION OF THEIR SPIRITUAL MASTER BUSINESS, which they conduct simply for SENSE GRATIFICATION."
This was written in 1972 and Cc.ch1 T218 was written in 1975. Srila Prabhupada's Hi-Jack was not abrupt in 1977. He was fully aware, but he tricked his Hi-Jackers, so he could complete His Writing and Books and slipped in these two main purports. Then he left His "WILL", registered in Calcutta High Court (which GBC disobeyed), The July 9th 1977 Final Order Letter, and the Direction Of Management 1970 so devotees in future could understand what took place, take them to Court and restore Him as the Acarya, Diksa Guru, for at least the next 10,000 years!!!!!!!!!!!
They all think he is not so great, after fulfilling the prediction with His Bhagavad Gita in every language and a temple in every Country in the world. When there is envy in one's heart, there can't be love for Srila Prabhupada! Some devotees protest why I should tell all the followers of Srila Prabhupada --- Because he wanted his Hi-Jackers exposed!!!! Hear what He said in this article: Morning walk Los Angeles 3rd May 1973;
No it is sanskrit. And in Bengal it is called vane asiya raja 'In the forest a jackal has become king'. They are like that. Nila-varna-srigalavat. When ... There is big story about this jackal. I will tell you some. A jackal came in the village and he fell in the tub where, what is called, the water? No, no. The water man keeps the water for dipping, making little bluish. For colouring. That blue, blue. So the washerman kept the dye water in a big tub, and the jackal fell into it. So jackal fell in it; he became blue, all blue. So he fled away, and all the animals said, 'What is this animal? What is this animal? What is this animal? Oh?' All, even the lion became surprised. 'We have not sees this'. So who are you, sir?' 'I am sent by God to rule over you'. 'Oh?' So they began to worship him as God, as leader. Then one day other jackals, they were crying, 'Wa, wa' but the jackals cannot stop.
If others jackals cry ,the jackal cannot stop. So he also began to 'Wa, wa'
Oh, then they, oh, this rascal is a jackal. Yavat kincin na bhasate. That these
rascals are jackals. Now they are talking nonsense.We can detect that 'Here
is a jackal'. So we have to expose them. They are not leader; they are jackals.
So jackals cannot anymore rule over. That should be our propaganda. Not only
scientific,all political things, social things, everything. They should all
be kicked out. they should be replaced by krsna Consciousness. Then people will
be happy. This should be our program. Our, this propaganda means to make people
happy, It is not a business, to make business and take some money'.
JAI JAGAT GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA!!!!~~~~~~~.
(Srimad Bhagavatam lecture 1973---------------) "So this Krsna Consciousness Movement is a challenge to all the rascals and fools, that's all.So those who have taken this movement very seriously, they should be very sober and understand at least you MUST EXPOSE all these rascals.That will be very much appreciated by Krsna." (S.P.L. Bahulasva,30/11/71)
"I am very glad that you are challenging all of these so-called Swamis and Gurus. My Guru Maharaja appreciated devotees who boldly presented our vaisnava philosophy. We must take advantage of every opportunity to defeat these rascals and drive them away, so please continue this strong attitude."
(Bhagavad Gita 4.42)
"One is therefore advised to study Bhagavad Gita,or any other scripture,
under a bona-fide Spritual Master, with service and surrender. A bona-fide Spritual
Master is in the disciplic succession from time eternal, and he does not deviate
at all from the instructions of the Supreme Lord, as they were imparted millions
of years ago to the Sun-God, from whom the instructions of Bhagavad Gita have
come down to the earthly Kingdom. One should, therefore, follow the path of
Bhagavad-Gita as it is expressed in the Gita itself and BEWARE OF SELF-INTERESTED
PEOPLE AFTER PERSONAL AGGRANDISEMENT WHO DEVIATE OTHERS FROM THE ACTUAL PATH."
Clearly,a Bona-fide Spritual Master is from time eternal and can never deviate. So sorry for all Ambitious Junior disciples praying for their "Gurus" to die, to become "Diksa gurus." After 22 years, the game is over!!!! "When one has attained the topmost position of Maha-Bhagavata, he is to be accepted as a Guru and worshipped exactly like Hari, The Personality Of Godhead. Only such a person is eligible to occupy the post of Guru. (madhya, 24.330 purport)
"-----Best not to accept any disciples." (C.c madhya,7.130. purport)
"Unless one is a resident of Krishna Loka,one cannot be a Spritual Master,
and if he does become so, then he will simply create a disturbance....actually
a Bona-fide Spritual Master is NEVER A CONDITIONED SOUL.... a Spritual Master
MUST be liberated."
(SPL. Mukunda 6/10/69)
So Srila Prabhupada left a Ritvik System , Representative Of The Acarya,(July 9th 1977) to continue"Hence-foward" on his Behalf, even though there may be Pure Devotees,in coming generations.
"What will happen when I am not here,shall every thing be spoiled by the GBC?" (SP. Letter to Hansadutta 11/4/72)
"I have appointed originally 12 GBC Members and I have given them 12 zones for their administration and management,but simply by agreement you have changed everything,so what is this, I don't know." (SP.Letter to Rupanuga 4/4/72).
"Yamaraja (a demigod) is one of the GBC's of Krsna. ....Therefore we have created the GBC. So they shall be very responsible men. Otherwise, they will be punished. They will be punished to become a sudra (low born). Although Yamaraja is a GBC, he made a little mistake. He was punished to become a sudra. So, those who are GBC's they should be VERY, VERY CAREFUL to administer the business of ISKCON. Otherwise they will be punished. As the post is very great, similarly the PUNISHMENT is very great. That is the difficulty." (S.B. Lecture 1974 by SP.)
"The standards I have already given you, now try to maintain them at all times under standard procedure.Do not try to innovate or create anything or manufacture anything, that WILL RUIN EVERYTHING." (SP. Letter to Bali Mardan and Pusta Krsna 18/9/72).
"That I am thinking.Such a Big Society the Aims and Objects may be Dismantled. I am Thinking from that Vision." (SP. 26/10/77 TKG. diary)
Sulochana Dasa had obtained a complete Micro-flim copy of all Srila Prabhupada Letters.(as above and in Betrayal and Guru Business). Otherwise till today, no one would have known about Srila Prabhupada's Betrayal. Ramesvara threatened him -- "You are dead meat on a hook, unless you return those letters."
He was mudered on May 22nd 1986 1:00 am Los Angeles USA.
HARE KRSNA HARE KRSNA KRSNA KRSNA HARE HARE HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE
HARE JAGAT GURU SRILA PRABHUPADA KI JAI !!!!!!!!!!!
Yours in the service of Srila Prabhupada,
Sudarshan dasa.
Important Note For Serious Devotees TO RESTORE SRILA PRABHUPADA as DIKSA GURU for the next 10,000 YEARS. "...Unfortunately, when the acarya dissapears rogues and non devotees take advantage and immediately begin to introduce unauthorized principles in the name of so called svamis, yogis, philanthropists, welfare workers and so on.... The acarya, the authorized representative of the Supreme Lord, establishes these principles, but when he disappears, things once again become disordered. The perfect disciples of the acarya try to relieve the situation by sincerely following the instructions of the Spritual Master." (S.B. 4.28.48 )
As the Supreme Personality of Godhead comes down upon this earth to reestablish
the principles of religion, so His representative, the Spiritual Master, also
comes to reestablish religious principles. It is the duty of the disciples to
take charge of the mission of the Spritual Master and execute it properly. Otherwise
the disciple should DECIDE TO DIE along with the Spritual Master.In other words,to
execute the will of the Spritual Master, the disciple should be prepared to
LAY DOWN HIS LIFE and abandon all personal considerations." (S.B. 4.28.50)
We need an ISKCON scholar to give a purport on this conversation --
Jagadisa-----"Srila Prabhupada, can you tell us why you want to go on the
parikrama?"
Tamal Krsna --"This seems like suicide, Srila Prabhupada, this program.
It seems to some of us like it's suicidal."
Prabhupada--"AND THIS IS ALSO SUICIDAL !"
Tamal Krsna-"Hm. Prabhupada said,"And this is also suicide."
Now you have to choose which suicide."
Prabhupada --"THE RAVANA WILL KILL AND RAMA WILL KILL.BETTER TO BE KILLED
BY RAMA ! Eh? That Marica---if he does not go to mislead Sita, he'll be killed
by Ravana; and if he goes to be killed by Rama, then it is better."
Tamal krsna----------"Who is this Prabhupada's talking about?
Devotees--------------"Marica."
"So as Krsna was attempted to be killed.....And Lord Jesus Christ was killed. So they may kill me also."(Srila Prabhupada, May 3rd 1976, Honolulu)
Srila Prabhupada-------"Vahi bat....je koi hamko poison kiya."
(The same thing I said, that someone has poisoned me.)
(SP. November 10th 1977)
HARE KRSNA JAI SRILA PRABHUPADA !
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Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 3:26 PM
Subject: Fw: TO RAJARSI DASA AND HIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS
ALL GBC'S AND ISKCON DEVOTEES.
please
also see:
Satsvarupa
Planting The Weed
SITES TO CHECK OUT:
* http://members.xoom.com/manvantar/index.htm (Sulochana's Homepage)
* http://www.vedabase.com/ (Vedabase)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/das/articles.htm (DAS)
* http://tsa.ppp.ripco.net/padaweb/puranjan.html (Puranjana's Site)
* POISON TAPE audio and pada newsletters:
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933
* POISON TRANSCRIPT
* http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/3933/19990519.htm
* http://www.winink.com/tkg/ (Tamal Krishna) NEW:
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc (The GBC)
* gbc_108@hotmail.com (e-mail)
* http://mitglied.lycos.de/pada (Pada's Newsletter Archive)
* Srila
Prabhupada's Lecture Library
(RealPlayer G2 free download)
* http://pages.infinit.net/pragosh/home.html (FRENCH)
* http://www.unlimited-resources.com/anubhavananda.html
* http://www.irg.zetnet.co.uk/ (IRG)
* http://members.aol.com/gauridas (Gauridasa Pandita Dasa)
* http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/5708/ (SPANISH)
* http://www.com.org/hb/ptd/cyber_gurukula.htm) (Cyber
gurukula)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/ (Rocana's site)
* http://www.islandnet.com/krsna/vada/poison/poison.htm (Poison issue)
* Vipramukhya and Jayadvaita's "illicit sex guru" rationalizations
* http://www.artnet.net/~yasoda/index.htm [appointment tape fraud]
* http://www.vlbg.at/privat/gaura-nitai/index.htm Gaura-Nitais Homepage Deutsch
* http://www.vnn.org/ (VNN news)
* ISKCON WOMEN-PRABHUPADA'S
TIME (by Jyotirmayi Devi Dasi)
*
Polygamy
In The Hare Krishna Movement (Pritha's Page)