Satsvarupa -- Vaisnava Aparadha to Question
His Qualification as Guru?
by Madhudvisa dasa
Don't take shelter of the GBC who CAN NOT DELIVER YOU. I can guarantee that Satsvarupa can not take you or any of his disciples back home, back to Godhead. You need to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, serve him, enquire from him submissively. Such a pure devotee can give you real knowledge because he has seen the truth. Madhudvisa dasa (04-08-05)
Dear Bhakta R...
Hare Krishna! Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
You have taken offense to Bhakta Zach's article on Satavarupa.
The ISKCON idea is that you may come to Krishna consciousness by reading Srila Prabhuapda's books but to advance you need to select a "living guru" from the group authorized by the GBC. They also teach that just because a devotee has been initiated by Srila Prabhupada he is an advanced devotee. Unfortunately practically everyone who has followed the GBCs advice has ended up with a bogus guru not even qualified to deliver himself back home back to Godhead, what to speak of his disciples. This has devastated their spiritual lives. We have to wake up and realize that the ISKCON guru system is simply not working at all. It is a disaster. Tens of thousands of devotees have been convinced by ISKCON to accept gurus who are not qualified to take them back home to Godhead and their spiritual lives have been destroyed.
Typically the gurus live very comfortable lives at the cost of their disciples "guru daksina" and in this way exploit their disciples for their own sense gratification. It is a system of exploitation of sincere souls attracted to Krishna and Srila Prabhupada. This destroys whatever attachment the disciple has to Krishna and Prabhupada and destroys the "guru" because of the sinful exploitation of his disciples. A guru can not take service from a disciple unless he can deliver that disciple back home back to Godhead.
ISKCON is not helping people at all. It is taking sincere souls who are attached to Krishna and Srila Prabhupada and breaking that attachment and training them to become attached to conditioned souls who can not deliver Krishna consciousness to them and can not take them back home, back to Godhead.
ISKCON is destroying people, not saving them.
You are presuming that Satsvarupa is a bona fide guru, a paramahamsa, a devotee on the topmost platform. You are presuming that by accepting Satsvarupa as your guru you will get the same benefits as one who accepts Srila Prabhupada as his guru. By accepting Satsvarupa as your guru you are accepting him as "saksad hari"--directly Krishna. That means you accept whatever Satsvarupa says to be nondiffernt to Krishna speaking to you personally.
Unfortunatly you are mistaken. And you have been fooled by ISKCON.
Satsvarupa is an ordinary conditioned soul. He is fallen in so many ways. He did have the great fortune of meeting Srila Prabhupada and he did join Srila Prabhupada's movement and work very sincerely for ISKCON. But he took the position of acharya without Srila Prabhupada's order and without being qualified for the post. He initiated thousands of devotees who now, due to his inability to guide them properly, are no longer practicing Krishna consciousness. He took service from his disciples without being able to deliver pure love of God, Krishna consciousness. Therefore he is a great cheater, and if you will take the time to read Srila Prabhupada's Sri Isopanasad you will see that there is no greater cheater than one who undertakes this "guru business" without being qualified.
Now we see that Satsvarupa has very serious mental problems, he is taking so many psychotic drugs to try to control his mind, he has been having illicit sex with a women and he continues to act as "guru" to his disciples and continues to write his bogus books transferring his warped ideas of Krishna consciousness to his disciples.
"It is not this guru business. It is not guru business. Guru must transfer his qualities to the student. How it is there that a man makes one's person as disciple and he remains a sudra? What is this nonsense?" (Srila Prabhupada lecture on Bg. 9.2)
What Krishna consciousness can Satsvarupa transfer to his disciples if he is not himself Krishna conscious? He is a crazy man, he can only transfer his craziness to his disciples. He can not give them Krishna consciousness. He is the greatest cheater and he will go to the worst type of Hell and his disciples will follow him there.
"The pseudo religionists have neither knowledge nor detachment from material affairs, for most of them want to live in the golden shackles of material bondage under the shadow of philanthropic activities disguised as religious principles.
"By a false display of religious sentiments, they present a show of devotional service while indulging in all sorts of immoral activities. In this way they pass as spiritual masters and devotees of God. Such violators of religious principles have no respect for the authoritative acaryas, the holy teachers in the strict disciplic succession.
"They ignore the Vedic injunction acaryaupsana"One must worship the acarya"and Krsna's statement in the Bhagavad-gita (4.2) evam parampara-praptam, "This supreme science of God is received through the disciplic succession." Instead, to mislead the people in general they themselves become so-called acaryas, but they do not even follow the principles of the acaryas.
"These rogues are the most dangerous elements in human society. Because there is no religious government, they escape punishment by the law of the state. They cannot, however, escape the law of the Supreme, who has clearly declared in the Bhagavad-gita that envious demons in the garb of religious propagandists shall be thrown into the darkest regions of hell (Bg. 16.19-20). Sri Isopanisad confirms that these pseudo religionists are heading toward the most obnoxious place in the universe after the completion of their spiritual master business, which they conduct simply for sense gratification." (from Srila Prabhupada's Sri Isopanasad Mantra 12)
So I think you should seriously read Srila Prabhupada's books, take shelter of a real paramahamsa, a real guru, who can actually deliver you back home back to Godhead. Take shelter of Srila Prabhupada who CAN deliver you back home back to Godhead, don't take shelter of the GBC who CAN NOT DELIVER YOU. I can guarantee that Satsvarupa can not take you or any of his disciples back home, back to Godhead. You need to take shelter of Srila Prabhupada, serve him, enquire from him submissively. Such a pure devotee can give you real knowledge because he has seen the truth.
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
Srila Prabhupada: CC.Madhy.,Ch.1, Text 218 / 220, purport
"There are many jealous people in the dress of Vaishnavas in this Krishna Consciousness movement, and they should be completely neglected. A false acarya may try to override a vaishnava by a high-court decision, (2/3 hand vote) but Bhaktivinoda Thakura says that he is nothing but a disciple of Kali-yuga.".
"Bhaktivinoda Thakura says, Kali-cela. He indicates that there are other Vaishnavas, pseudo-Vaishnavas, with tilaka on their nose and kunti beads around their neck. Such a pseudo-Vaishnava associates with money and women and is jealous of successful Vaishnavas. Although passing for a Vaishnava, his only business is earning money in the dress of a Vaishnava".
So, Srila Prabhupada very clearly says that those Kali-cela demons are within ISKCON and not outside. What is the difficulty of understanding this ? They are in this very movement, hiding under us in disguise.
So, dear devotees, why are you not using your discrimination to find out those Kali-cela demons, who are within this Krishna Consciousness movement, as Srila Praphupada states, and who are earning money in the dress of Vaishnavas. Who associates with Monika and other Ladies???
Who takes the sankirtan collection and all the laksmi ? It is easy to identify those Kali-cela demons. What are you afraid of ? It is not the humble devotee who washes Krishnas pots in the kitchen, or all those humble sankirtan devotees collecting money for the temples deities.
Demons are in power and position to manipulate and to control the temples and to take the money away. So guess who is doing this in ISKCON for the past 30 years?
Yes, you are right. That is Harikesha, Jayapataka, Tamal, Satsvarup, Hridayananda, Sivaram and all those other bogus gurus and Sannyasis. Now you have used your intelligence to find out. This is called real discrimination. This is the first step.
But why you idiots are continually serving these Kali-cela demons? Why you rascals are not following Srila Prabhupadas order to completely neglect and reject them?. What is your problem of following this instruction of Prabhupada to completely neglect them? Why are you so stubbornly refusing to act accordingly, after using your discrimination which Krishna has given you.
Are you already so much brainwashed that you have no more thinking of your own? Don't be so much renounced as to give up your intelligence and discrimination. That is sinful. You never can get around your own responsibility.
Please wake up and do not accept that bogus philosophy of self-appointed Isckon acaryas worshiped in a homosexual paedophile guru lineage. Less intelligent devotees are those who do not use their discrimination in understanding who the bonafide acharya is. The blind followers follow the blind leaders, who pretend to see, but both will fall into the ditch.
"A devotee should have intelligence to know who is deviating. Surrender by your intelligence but don't surrender your intelligence." (SP to Bali Mardana, 1974)
(B.G.10.4-5 Purport) "NOTHING should be accepted BLINDLY; everything should be accepted with care and with caution ...The TRUTH should be spoken in a straight-foward way, so that others will understand actually what the facts are ...Although sometimes the truth is unpalatable, one should not refrain from speaking it."
Aruna das, Austria
Quoted by Gopi Dust: You know I am in no position to criticise
anybody in here, but I personally dislike Satsvarupa with a passion. He was seeing
a godsister of his so obviously he felt he needed counselling, or was she a masseuse?
Anyway he supposedly fell down all the way with her according to the original
account by her? I don't know. But how he can keep up his image I don't know.
His latest thing is to go back to Christianity. He has been doing that for decades, right? First he used to read books about female Christian saints, like Saint Theresa or someone, which is cool and all for a devotee to like other devotees from other religions but what I hate the most is how his disciples will convert their house into the alamo to let him stay there. That is fine for him but why can't he go to Vrndavana or Mayapura and just serve there like a regular devotee? Why does the double standard continue that once you are a guru you remain one forever even if you have many falldowns, go back to your wife, screw someone else's, have sex with boys, young girls, grown men, even your own disciples and godsisters?
THE THING THAT MAKES ME SO MAD IS THAT THESE MEN ETERNALLY GET
TO GO RIGHT BACK TO BEING GURUS WHEN THEY WANT TO!
Yes the philosophy is that we take up where we left off whenever
we go back to serving Krishna after falling down. But why put somebody in charge
of other people's spiritual lives when they couldn't do it before they fell down.
Are they automatically going to be so much stronger spiritually as soon as they
The other gurus like when their friend comes back from blooping
and want him to go back to how he was when he was strong, before the fall. But
you know what? I never knew him before the fall. Yes I know he was around for
fourty years, and I respect that. But I am not in the "clique" that
slap each other on the back and say, "Good job, Prabhu. You are controlling
your senses again! Let's appreciate each other and how advanced we all are like
in the old days! The new devotees are "envious" of us because we are
so advanced and they don't want us living at the cost of the society but they
don't understand how much service we have done."
Well I'm sorry I can't go back in time and get initiated by Srila
Prabhupada. Back then if a devotee joined a few years earlier than someone else
he was an "advanced devotee" and everybody was very aware of who joined
But these men who are falling down are neophyte devotees! How
can they be falling down and breaking the principles and acting like they are
so advanced? If they were honest and acted like they were on the same level as
us and were friendly instead of acting like they are more advanced and we should
bow down to them all the time then that is the way things should be.
An advanced devotee feels that he himself is the most fallen.
Of course I am the least advanced, since I am so upset that nobody offers me any
respect. But it is a great disservice to the society that there can be what I
have heard referred to as a "good old boys club" going on. It really
is ugly and stinks and that is what drove away so many of Srila Prabhupada's disciples
when they saw these neophyte devotees acting like they were on the highest level
and demanding that their own Godbrothers go to their guru pujas! What gall! And
then when the Godbrothers or Godsisters complained then they are threatened by
the "guru's" fanatical disciples who actually have killed at least one
time on the order of the "guru".
We all know the story. So am I sorry when a guru falls down? No. Not in the least. Depending on the case. In this case, no. I hate Satsvarupa in my heart and I am very glad he got caught. I don't know what kind of service he did, maybe if someone had ever told me anything nice about him I might feel differently but since all I ever heard about since I was born is all the stupid things he is doing I rejected him a long time ago.
He wrote his own books instead of Prabhupada and stupid ones at
that! I AM SO HAPPY HE GOT CAUGHT FALLING DOWN!
This is my humble opinion. What I really want to say is _ _ _ _ HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quoted by Kalisurfer: Bulletin Story
Swami S Ditty G arrested for creating art against the interest of the sane!
Swami Headacheananda was jailed last night for committing heinous acts of god-awful depressing anal-retentive artwork. An anonymous call (wonder who?) to the Ministry of One True Art informed on the whereabouts of Swami S Ditty G. (as his hipster followers call him), who was holed up in his Manhattan loft swirling paint obsessively around while listening to the devils own music (Coltrane) like some sex starved wild child expressing his aboriginal need in the lost kingdom of kindergarten!
Anti-terror art deputies of the Provincial Authority of Dismissive Art (P.A.D.A) accompanied a swat team of classically trained skilled painters dressed in classic French black berets and carrying sharpened #3 horse hair oil paint brushes attached to deadly traditional wooden paint palettes and paint by number canvases, all especially trained in urban artistic assaults on any creator of the devils imagesdescended onto the loft early yesterday morning while S Ditty G was busily writing his crazed memoirs. Bursting through the door, yelling Caravaggio the Swat Team quickly apprehended S Ditty G and his mindless hapless follower Kali S. You are under arrest for the violation of National Security code 108, the practice of art that goes against all the principles established by the state sponsored Messianic Association of Reactionary Yearnings Against Degenerate Art (M.A.R.Y.A.D.A)
Immediately after their abduction, a team of highly classified trained psychologist and psychiatrist sequestered S Ditty G inside the infamous room of artistic inquisition and after just looking at one image that was brought from his studio of repressed anal demagoguery, he was diagnosed as a deviate art whore with severe mental illness and was quickly taken in the dead of night to the Norman Original Rockwell Mental Analyzer Lockdown (N.O.R.M.A.L) where he was tied to a throne and his eyes were wired to stay open as a 1936 German documentary Entartete Kunst (Degenerate Art)showing what is not accepted as the one Pure and True Artwas shown over and over again to the sounds of The Ride of the Valkyries, by the states one true composerthe classic Richard Wagner.
In time, the Ministry of One True Art hopes to reform this insane ideologue, in hopes of transforming him into another acceptable artist capable of painting the ideal of Romanticist classic landscapes and images of a Renaissance God sanctioned by the Realism Institute of Timeless Viable Irrefutable Culture (R.I.T.V.I.C)
His follower, Kali S, escaped authorities before he was able to admit that he was complicit in harboring and protecting a known degenerate artist. While being transferred in a Classic 1981 Mercedes to the Norman Original Rockwell Mental Analyzer Lockdown, he slipped into the night while his armed P.A.D.A escorts swooned at an image of the Mona Lisa that was on the side of a local bus, advertising the new Apple IPod that plays only state sponsored classics. Last seen running along Fifth Avenue shouting, Long Live Warhol and doing a performance art piece called I gave him my heart but all I got was this damn painting!
Please be advised, he armed with the writings and paintings of Swami S Ditty G and is considered dangerous. For your own mental health, do not look at the paintings or read any of the books. Anyone who knows his whereabouts should immediately seek the shelter of a bona-fide state sponsored authority, lock your doors and windows, hide inside a room covered in clear plastic held together with duct tape and last but not least, stare at a picture of Leonardo DaVincis The Last Supper a real Classic!
To be continued
Chant Hare Krishna and be happy!
All glories to His Divine Grace A.C.Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada!